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matt-SmartBear
2017-06-27 00:50:23

set the channel topic: A warm welcoming place to cultivate new OSS contributors

matt-SmartBear
2017-06-27 00:50:39

set the channel description: A warm welcoming place to cultivate new OSS contributors

matt-SmartBear
2017-06-27 00:50:39

cleared channel topic

olleolleolle
2017-06-27 00:53:49

So, I'm excited to be in this community, and it got me restarted a little bit, on contributing to OSS.

olleolleolle
2017-06-27 00:54:34

I have time to work on fiddly things and on polish things: I want to enable --warnings in .rspec, to keep the code-base warning-free.

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2017-06-27 01:02:15

That's great @olleolleolle. Regarding polish there are still lots of rubocop exceptions that could be gradually ironed out. There's a ticket about that I think (on phone so not easy to look right now)

matt-SmartBear
2017-06-27 01:05:52

@madame.sheema I'm curious to hear how you're finding the experience of having people comment on your PR. Are we being kind enough? Is all that attention from people helpful or intimidating (or both?!)

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madame.sheema
2017-06-27 02:29:17

@matt-SmartBear actually I love it! because now there is a debate about how to do it even better and I find it a great opportunity to learn new things

madame.sheema
2017-06-27 04:38:22

@olleolleolle @timcoremans welcome to The Greenhouse 😉

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2017-06-27 04:56:52

👋

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matt-SmartBear
2017-06-29 06:36:35

@Dana Scheider (they/he) you’d be interested in this channel

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matt-SmartBear
2017-06-29 06:37:23

Folks, I added a new ticket with the newcomer label for cucumber-ruby: https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber-ruby/issues/1137 I’m worried I didn’t add enough explanation (I was in a bit of a rush) what do you think?

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olleolleolle
2017-06-29 06:38:38

@matt-SmartBear perhaps something of the concrete nature like

--i18n-languages
--i18n-keywords XX
--i18n-keywords ja
olleolleolle
2017-06-29 06:38:59

@matt-SmartBear "What does done look like" == "when you support these three"

matt-SmartBear
2017-06-29 06:41:31

Thanks @olleolleolle - updated!

👍 olleolleolle
aida
2017-06-29 09:46:39

Really well explained!!

aida
2017-06-29 09:46:46

Looking into it

💪 tooky, aida
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aida
2017-06-30 04:59:03

Ok here goes my first PR https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber-ruby/pull/1140

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aida
2017-06-30 05:00:01

looking forward for your comments 🙂

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olleolleolle
2017-06-30 05:05:43

@aida Great!

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olleolleolle
2017-06-30 05:06:23

@aida Now that that if which used to have the display of help in it is shorter, perhaps the happy case could be the first half of that if, and the error the second half?

olleolleolle
2017-06-30 05:06:53

@aida That is, turning around if !::Gherkin::DIALECTS.keys.include? lang => if ::Gherkin::DIALECTS.keys.include? lang.

👍 aida
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aida
2017-06-30 05:47:19

rubocop is failing, any ideas on how can I fix it?

olleolleolle
2017-06-30 06:13:58

*Thread Reply:* @aida Finding ways to reduce

"Assignment Branch Condition size" when the score is missing out 2.4 points : [102.4/100]

is more GOLF than logic.

aida
2017-06-30 06:15:09

*Thread Reply:* yeah, when I saw I was like f** haha, but I think I found a way

olleolleolle
2017-06-30 06:15:38

*Thread Reply:* In this case: # rubocop:disable Metrics/AbcSize placed on the def parse! line as a suffix comment would shut this up.

olleolleolle
2017-06-30 06:15:49

*Thread Reply:* update (fixed my typo)

olleolleolle
2017-06-30 06:16:35

*Thread Reply:* Any option parser will be tough to keep a small AbcSize on.

aida
2017-06-30 06:26:40

*Thread Reply:* thanks! my solution only worked in my laptop 😞

matt-SmartBear
2017-06-30 06:53:52

*Thread Reply:* @aida some of that is my fault - I added a script this morning that fails rubocop!

matt-SmartBear
2017-06-30 06:53:56

*Thread Reply:* I’m fixing that now…

aida
2017-06-30 06:55:49

*Thread Reply:* got it!

aida
2017-06-30 06:55:52

*Thread Reply:* no worries

aida
2017-06-30 06:56:12

*Thread Reply:* I’m adding the fix

matt-SmartBear
2017-06-30 06:56:59

*Thread Reply:* oh are we both fixing it? 🙂

matt-SmartBear
2017-06-30 06:59:01

*Thread Reply:* @aida if you rebase now rubocop should be happier

matt-SmartBear
2017-06-30 07:05:51

*Thread Reply:* Sorry, I should check: do you know what I mean by “rebase”?

aida
2017-06-30 07:10:05

*Thread Reply:* Yes!

aida
2017-06-30 07:10:49

*Thread Reply:* But is not green yet 😞

aida
2017-06-30 07:10:59

*Thread Reply:* there are some failing tests

matt-SmartBear
2017-06-30 07:12:33

*Thread Reply:* let me have a look

matt-SmartBear
2017-06-30 07:13:17

*Thread Reply:* the build of master is failing so…

aida
2017-06-30 07:13:39

*Thread Reply:* I’ll wait 😉

aida
2017-06-30 07:14:19

*Thread Reply:* Thanks for the help!

matt-SmartBear
2017-06-30 07:14:29

*Thread Reply:* np

matt-SmartBear
2017-06-30 07:14:39

*Thread Reply:* I believe the build should be green as of 9ad46cb4ca122a7ac776c6de64331cdb3be67842

matt-SmartBear
2017-06-30 07:14:59

*Thread Reply:* but I’m not sure what’s going on with the Windows / AppVeyor build just yet

aida
2017-06-30 09:03:57

*Thread Reply:* ;)

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matt-SmartBear
2017-07-01 00:34:38

@aida your PR looks great. I left one suggestion (not mandatory) for a little refactoring you could do while you’re in there, and you’ll need to rebase it so it can easily be merged in.

Let me know if you need a hand with the rebase.

👍 aida
madame.sheema
2017-07-01 04:17:05

cool! I should make time to fix mine

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madame.sheema
2017-07-07 12:21:09

hi there! I'm working in the PR https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber-ruby/pull/1132 about the issue https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber-ruby/issues/1113

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madame.sheema
2017-07-07 12:21:56

i'm new so any help is welcomed 🙂

matt-SmartBear
2017-07-07 12:59:16

How's it going @madame.sheema ?

madame.sheema
2017-07-07 12:59:50

trying to understand how things work 😛

matt-SmartBear
2017-07-07 13:02:16

Ask me anything @madame.sheema

👍 madame.sheema
matt-SmartBear
2017-07-07 13:02:40

Sitting waiting for my kids to settle down to sleep

madame.sheema
2017-07-07 13:09:42

right now I'm so lost I don't know what to ask 😁

matt-SmartBear
2017-07-07 13:15:22

That's technically known as Spelunking and is a perfectly valid technique 😜

enkessler
2017-07-07 13:15:30

I'm around now.

madame.sheema
2017-07-07 13:16:32

😄 😄

madame.sheema
2017-07-07 13:17:45

I don't know how and I don't know when but I'll finish the PR 😂

matt-SmartBear
2017-07-07 13:18:33

💪

matt-SmartBear
2017-07-07 13:21:47

@madame.sheema as you’re reading the code and trying to understand it, please try to remember this:

You’re getting right into some of the oldest, gnarliest code in the codebase with this change, and so it’s no wonder things don’t make perfect sense. If you can’t understand something, it’s not you, it’s the code. And we need to fix the code so it’s easier to understand.

So don’t lose heart, do ask questions (however stupid you might think they are) and do write down all the bits that make you puzzled so that we can come back and make them easier to read later.

❤️ madame.sheema, tooky, olleolleolle, dave, aida
matt-SmartBear
2017-07-07 13:23:43

Your feedback as someone new to the codebase is very valuable. You have a perspective I can no longer get on the code.

madame.sheema
2017-07-07 13:24:19

😊

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jumbolemming
2017-08-08 13:16:58

hello

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2017-08-08 13:17:01

is anyone there?

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-08 15:32:06

@madame.sheema I’m back from my vacation. How are you getting on with your mighty PR quest?

madame.sheema
2017-08-13 02:05:19

*Thread Reply:* Ei! @matt-SmartBear how was your vacation? one of the contributors modified the test scenario and the PR was merged

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-13 14:26:44

*Thread Reply:* Woot! How was the experience @madame.sheema? Did we treat you well? Are you keen to do more or did the experience put you off?

madame.sheema
2017-08-16 00:44:48

*Thread Reply:* @matt-SmartBear the experience was really good, and for sure that I'm going to continue doing things, but for now I will try to pick up easy ones 😊

Gem
2017-08-08 16:50:46

@matt-SmartBear You don't know me, but welcome back! I have both The Cucumber Book and Cucumber Recipes here at my desk. 🙂

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-09 00:01:48

👍 @Gem welcome!

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-09 00:01:57

Are you looking to get involved with contributing to Cucumber?

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-09 00:02:49

I see you’re already contributing to the community in #help - thanks!

Gem
2017-08-09 08:27:43

Thanks! 👋

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matt-SmartBear
2017-08-10 10:31:39

@Gem a good place to get started contributing to any Cucumber repo is to look for the “newcomers” label. We’re still getting things tidied up to add those labels in the right places, but it’s a start:

https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber-ruby/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Anewcomers

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matt-SmartBear
2017-08-10 10:32:16

The style violations ticket listed there is a great way to get started making minor changes and having a look around the codebase. And we’d really appreciate it!

Gem
2017-08-10 10:47:38

I'm into that, thank you! 🙂

Gem
2017-08-10 11:57:04

It looks like when the particular cops in .rubocop_todo.yml are looked into but appear to be false positives, they're being moved to the bottom with a Reviewed:... line added to the header comment for each, yeah?

Gem
2017-08-10 12:47:35

Actually, it just seems like those at the bottom happen to be there alphabetically and someone was working bottom up. 😛

Gem
2017-08-10 12:48:15

I do like the concept of having reviewed sections at the bottom, though if they're reviewed and suspected to be valid, we should probably move them to .rubocop.yml instead of leaving in todo?

Gem
2017-08-10 12:49:07

Also looks like PR 1022 was never removed from the todo file and I actually just redid the work. 😛

Gem
2017-08-10 12:50:26

Nvm on the moving to rubocop, forgot about inheritance.

Gem
2017-08-10 22:06:59

Is Cucumber's line-length preference 80 or 100 characters? Running through making changes for 80 character lengths but running into a number of scenarios where there isn't much of a way to accomplish that.

Gem
2017-08-10 22:25:11

It would seem that the todo file was generated with an 80 character limit, sadly. 😛 With how my repo currently is, an 80 limit would result in 1000 offenses and an 100 character limit would result in 308 offenses.

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-11 02:06:48

*Thread Reply:* can you show me a good example?

Gem
2017-08-11 09:15:17

*Thread Reply:* Sure!

Gem
2017-08-11 09:17:45

*Thread Reply:* @matt-SmartBear Perhaps it's my not knowing multiple ways to set things up appropriately, but things like this line or the :codeswarm task below are examples https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber-ruby/blob/master/gem_tasks/contributors.rake#L6

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Gem
2017-08-11 09:19:34

*Thread Reply:* Nearly this whole file 😛 https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber-ruby/blob/master/lib/cucumber/cli/options.rb

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Gem
2017-08-11 14:02:09

*Thread Reply:* Even in my own Cucumber files, I've got step defs that hit 90 characters. Should I be refactoring these to be shorter, too?

Gem
2017-08-10 22:27:16

Going to move onto other issues for now.

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Gem
2017-08-11 16:36:13

@matt-SmartBear On PR 1173 about the duplicate methods: It seems that inlining them may not be as simple as initially thought. Each implementation I've tried, I end up getting different ordered data back so tests fail. Seeing as you mentioned about asking any questions, in here, I'm curious if you've got some insight into that area of the code base?

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Gem
2017-08-11 17:02:49

I've cleaned up some messages as I'm getting more of an understanding of these associated files. Not completely, but more! haha. It's curious that in the entirety of the repo this is the only line that calls MultilineArgument.doc_string directly. https://github.com/jaysonesmith/cucumber-ruby/blob/1021-fix-style-violations-2/lib/cucumber/runtime/support_code.rb#L37

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matt-SmartBear
2017-08-13 14:25:31

*Thread Reply:* I propose that all of lines 35-43 go into MultilineArgument.from if possible.

I’m sorry I’m too rusty on that bit of the codebase to be able to give specific advice, but that clump there looks like it’s begging to be extracted into a factory method.

Gem
2017-08-13 15:27:37

*Thread Reply:* No worries!

Gem
2017-08-13 15:28:18

*Thread Reply:* Let me try to rework that section to get that going. I ended up pushing a different solution to the PR, but it's definitely not the same thing as what you're requesting.

Gem
2017-08-13 16:09:19

*Thread Reply:* @matt-SmartBear Give it a look-see now? https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber-ruby/pull/1173/commits/0af9db95ce61a68c42aefc130f852ea8d4457b8a

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Gem
2017-08-14 12:31:09

Hey @matt-SmartBear: Now that I've got committer and am merging things, how do I update history.md as you mentioned?

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:31:41

Good question @Gem! Should I explain why first?

Gem
2017-08-14 12:31:59

I'd imagine for tracking purposes, but so that I'm not assuming, yes please!

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:32:34

Yeah, it’s to give users a changelog so they know what’s in each release

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:32:52

We used to do it by hand until recently

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:33:01

and it really got on my nerves, it felt like such a chore

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:33:04

so I wrote a script

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:34:29

The one bit of human decision-making that goes into updating History.md is “What type of change is this? A bug fix? A new feature? A bit of refactoring?”

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:34:43

So the script will ask you to set a type label on the ticket.

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:35:02

You need to setup a GITHUB_TOKEN env var too.

Gem
2017-08-14 12:35:18

Makes sense.

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:35:25

then try ./scripts/update-history 1178

:the_horns: olleolleolle
Gem
2017-08-14 12:36:40

I can give it a go now.

olleolleolle
2017-08-14 12:36:52

The type of Rubocop warnings repair is “developer experience/refactoring”, right?

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:40:12

*Thread Reply:* exactly

Gem
2017-08-14 12:37:36

And once I get it ironed out it sounds like this is data that I can write up as a howto for a readme. Any preference on where you want the steps put?

Also, when I've input that, we should update Asklak's welcome message so that includes a note to check it out

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:40:41

*Thread Reply:* That would be really useful. I think this belongs in contributing.md

Gem
2017-08-14 12:45:30

*Thread Reply:* 👍

olleolleolle
2017-08-14 12:38:55

@Gem Here is a URL directly to building a new Token: https://github.com/settings/tokens/new?description=Aruba%20History%20%20token

Gem
2017-08-14 12:39:56

I've got one set up already. 🙂 I just need to rename it.

Gem
2017-08-14 12:40:16

I'll add that to a write up though! There's also the official Github doc on it: https://help.github.com/articles/creating-a-personal-access-token-for-the-command-line/

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matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:42:43

@Gem this is the code for the @Aslak Hellesøy bot that invites new contributors: https://github.com/cucumber/commitbit

The welcome message source is here: https://github.com/cucumber/commitbit/blob/master/welcome.ejs.template

Bear in mind that the same message is used across all repos (at the moment) so we’d need to keep it generic enough to make sense in all contexts. I guess pointing to the repo’s contributing.md would be OK though, they should all have one of those.

I’m not quite sure how changes are deployed. Manually at the moment I think.

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Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-14 12:45:58

*Thread Reply:* > I’m not quite sure how changes are deployed. Manually at the moment I think.

As described here @matt-SmartBear: https://github.com/cucumber/commitbit#deploy-the-service

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:47:24

*Thread Reply:* how does one get them keys @Aslak Hellesøy?

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-14 12:48:16

*Thread Reply:* 1Password

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:52:12

*Thread Reply:* is that just for cucumber ltd folks or core team or what?

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:52:16

*Thread Reply:* is that documented somewhere?

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:52:29

*Thread Reply:* sorry if these questions are dumb, I’m still way behind on email since cukenfest

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-14 12:54:45

*Thread Reply:* I'll update the doc - sec

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-14 13:11:33

*Thread Reply:* More clear now @matt-SmartBear? https://github.com/cucumber/commitbit#deploy-the-service

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matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 13:12:40

*Thread Reply:* yeah better. who exactly could I contact? does it have to be someone in cucumber ltd?

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-14 13:13:20

*Thread Reply:* How about "create an issue"

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-14 13:14:57

*Thread Reply:* I don't expect tons of changes to commit bit though 🙂

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 13:15:06

*Thread Reply:* no sure

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-14 13:15:15

*Thread Reply:* It's done! (famous last words)

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 13:15:42

*Thread Reply:* I can see us building other bots too so it might grow

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 13:16:00

*Thread Reply:* I’m just thinking about @Gem - he has feedback on the template, so the docs need to be self-explanatory for him.

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-14 13:16:43

*Thread Reply:* A new bot should probably be a new microservice. I highly recommend playing with Serverless framework and AWS lambda. It's awesome!

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 13:16:53

*Thread Reply:* yeah someday

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 13:17:06

*Thread Reply:* 😛

Gem
2017-08-14 13:17:10

*Thread Reply:* I actually use Lambda for my current FT job. It's 👍

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-14 13:17:42

*Thread Reply:* Nice - you use a framework with it?

Gem
2017-08-14 13:18:40

*Thread Reply:* Nope, just some node stuff. One instance I use just kicks off a CircleCI rebuild that then runs some cucumber tests that drive a handful of devices through SauceLabs.

Gem
2017-08-14 13:19:11

*Thread Reply:* The other is a series of dummy advertising responses also in Node. I handle a lot of different query strings and return back generated xml

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Gem
2017-08-14 12:44:04

That makes sense.

Gem
2017-08-14 12:44:10

Also the first update should be done now!

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:44:23

I guess we could build a bot to update history too!

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:44:28

that would be super cool

Gem
2017-08-14 12:44:31

That'd be nice 😛

Gem
2017-08-14 12:44:47

I actually typed out a question if we could automatically trigger the update on merge

Gem
2017-08-14 12:45:22

Could also probably use with updating the PR template to include a request to set a tag

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:45:51

Oh yeah good idea

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:45:54

you know where that goes?

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:46:01

there’s a .github directory

Gem
2017-08-14 12:46:26

Update all the things! haha

olleolleolle
2017-08-14 12:47:14

🛠️

Gem
2017-08-14 12:47:20

@olleolleolle Have you run the update for any of my merged PRs? I don't know if I run them again if it'll duplicate?

olleolleolle
2017-08-14 12:47:31

@Gem I have not.

Gem
2017-08-14 12:47:32

@matt-SmartBear Do you know off-hand if it'll dupe?

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:48:05

*Thread Reply:* yes I think it will

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:48:08

*Thread Reply:* it’s pretty dumb

Gem
2017-08-14 12:48:30

*Thread Reply:* Good to know. 🙂

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:48:34

*Thread Reply:* it just formats the line in a consistent way based on the PR content, then inserts it at the top of the right section

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:48:38

*Thread Reply:* you still have to commit and push

olleolleolle
2017-08-14 12:48:42

*Thread Reply:* Its big win is formatting some additional texxxxt - what you said

Gem
2017-08-14 12:49:03

*Thread Reply:* Yeah, it creates some wonderful consistency.

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:49:04

*Thread Reply:* the other thing you want to do when merging other people’s is check that the PR’s title makes sense

Gem
2017-08-14 12:49:27

*Thread Reply:* If you just said, 'go update this' I imagine people would have their own idea about the color of the bike shed.

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:50:16

*Thread Reply:* Well @brasmusson feels strongly that the new entries should go at the top, and I kept absent-mindedly adding them at the bottom and getting on his nerves 🙂

Gem
2017-08-14 12:52:49

*Thread Reply:* Is this the correct placement of the new additions? I feel like it should be under the 3.0.0.pre.2 section?

Gem
2017-08-14 12:52:57

*Thread Reply:* Erm, I can't add a picture here.

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:53:43

*Thread Reply:* @Gem 3.0.0.pre.2 has been released so it’s too late to get any changes into that

Gem
2017-08-14 12:54:32

*Thread Reply:* Ah okay. Should there be a new version number added to the history file then or just leave it be for now?

Gem
2017-08-14 12:54:58

*Thread Reply:* Oh derp, that's the 'In Git''s purpose. Nevermind!

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:56:11

*Thread Reply:* To be fair, we should have updated lib/cucumber/version when 3.0.0.pre.2 was released with the next target release for master

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 13:34:55

*Thread Reply:* let me do that now…

brasmusson
2017-08-15 10:42:18

*Thread Reply:* TL;DR I value consistency (a lot). Yes, I prefer to organize changelogs according to the "latest change first" policy.

When I start to make changes in a code file, I really try to follow the code conversions used in that file. For instance if the existing variable names are using camel-case, any variables I add will also get camel-case names. My personal preference for variable name style is irrelevant, consistency is much more important.

The same goes for changelogs/history-files. I'd like to be able to use "git blame" and with a glance see what policy is to be used in the project, and then follow that policy - to maintain consistency. My personal preference for changelogs/history-files is to use the "latest changes first" policy, both with regards to ordering releases and with regards to ordering items within (sub sections within) each release. I'm not happy if the changelog/history-file has version 1 at the top, and I have to scroll down forever to set what has happend lately (at work - in documents - I have to live with it, having to browse several pages of the amendment record to see what changes have been made in the latest revision, my comment to that is "seriously? seriously?).

The problem for my with @matt-SmartBear adding entries to the bottom of sections in the history-file, is that it raises doubts in my mind that there either is a policy I do not know about, or (worse) that there is no shared understanding among us contributors on the editing of the changelog/history file. Either way that is a stumbling block that makes the ½hour or so I have to just merge the PR at hand and be done with it is not enough time. Before doing that I have to find out whether there is a policy I do not know about, or work on creating a shared understanding - so I then can update the changelog/history-file with consistency. This all ends up that I have to do the work at hand (merging a PR that is ready to be merged, for instance) later - and we all know that "later means never".

If there is not consistency in the changelog/history-file, then a task that should be quite straight forward, suddenly is much harder (at least for me).

❤️ matt-SmartBear, Gem
Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-14 12:47:40

I think the changelog should be manually curated

👍 Gem
olleolleolle
2017-08-14 12:50:17

While we’re talking about new additions by newish people; https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber-ruby/pull/1153 I’m going to go ahead and merge that.

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Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-14 12:52:02

Is there a topic for this channel? It's not clear to me from the name.

olleolleolle
2017-08-14 12:52:20

New cucumber folks

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 12:52:52

set the channel topic: For nurturing new contributors

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-14 12:53:38

Thanks for setting the topic @matt-SmartBear - would be great if you could do that in the other channels you've created too.

Gem
2017-08-14 12:56:43

@matt-SmartBear Thoughts on having a PR title prefix of something like, 'Rubocop Lint/Style Fix: ' before 'Fix Style/AndOr' or is just a simple 'Fix Style/AndOr' suitable?

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-14 13:01:27

*Thread Reply:* consistency / conventions are good with me. Is there anything established from previous commits?

Gem
2017-08-14 13:04:40

*Thread Reply:* They're basically on par with my latter example, so nothing too structured aside from "Fix Foo"

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-15 01:01:04

*Thread Reply:* I’m sure starting a convention of prefixing wth “Robocop” can’t do any harm

Gem
2017-08-15 04:00:56

*Thread Reply:* 👍 Robocop it is. 😉

Gem
2017-08-14 13:10:52

Still curious about how we want to handle the 80 character line length limit. 😛

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-15 01:00:35

*Thread Reply:* have you got any examples of that @Gem?

Gem
2017-08-15 04:03:00

*Thread Reply:* @matt-SmartBear Basically anything to do with the cli output is a good example. Really long strings for errors or config tables.

Gem
2017-08-15 04:07:45

*Thread Reply:* I'd have to run rubocop to get more of the non-string/output examples. Not on my osx dev machine currently

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-15 07:52:46

*Thread Reply:* @Gem I think the 80 character limit would be useful to apply here. You could miss those conditionals right over at the end of the line.

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-15 07:58:32

*Thread Reply:* You could make specific error types (subclassing ProfileNotFound, YmlLoadError) that own the responsibility of constructing their error message.

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-15 07:58:48

*Thread Reply:* That would keep the logic and the presentation separate, which would be neater.

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-15 07:59:37

*Thread Reply:* If the lines in the new error types are too long, try using something like this:

def message
  [
    'line 1',
    'line 2'
  ].join
end
matt-SmartBear
2017-08-15 08:00:50

*Thread Reply:* Thinking about it, if these lines are over 80 characters in our editors, they’ll also be 80 characters in our users cmd prompts

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-15 08:02:53

*Thread Reply:* So maybe we should think about that and just format them nicely over multiple lines, and use a heredoc instead. (https://infinum.co/the-capsized-eight/multiline-strings-ruby-2-3-0-the-squiggly-heredoc)

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Gem
2017-08-15 08:18:08

*Thread Reply:* 👍

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-15 01:01:17

If anyone’s interested, this little fix could do with some love: https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber-ruby/pull/919

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Gem
2017-08-15 12:19:19

@brasmusson I'm totally on board with that and I also try to abide by keeping code styling similar. @matt-SmartBear has actually seen me do that in a recent commit, too!

Gem
2017-08-15 12:28:57

So things that I'm thinking need to be visited:

  • Contributing.md update to include steps on how to update history.md as well as note of new on top/date desc order.
  • PR Template updated to include step to get users to add an appropriate tag to their ticket for the means of making the update of history.md smoother.
Gem
2017-08-15 12:31:03

Expansion on updating the contrib file: There seems to be variance between at least the ruby and c++ repos as to what's in the contrib file and I'd like to see things normalized a bit more across them. The c++ file hasn't been updated in four years. 😛

Aside from the age of the c++ file, it has info around PRs including a mention to update the history file whereas the ruby file doesn't.

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-16 00:40:07

*Thread Reply:* on that, I think that the problem with people updating the history file in their PR is that it will easily create merge conflicts.

Gem
2017-08-16 03:45:54

*Thread Reply:* Oh, I wasn't advocating the act of updating history files as well in their PRs.

Gem
2017-08-16 03:46:28

*Thread Reply:* Was simply noting a difference in the information included in the c++ contrib file versus the ruby contrib file. 🙂

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Gem
2017-08-16 14:39:45

@matt-SmartBear I imagine this form may not get much use, but I'm curious if asking about preferred coding language would be something you'd want to include? https://cucumber.typeform.com/to/gUEP2E?

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-17 06:48:12

*Thread Reply:* @theo has been shorting that form yesterday to try and make it more friendly. It’s really just the very first part of a conversation with a company about providing training, and we don’t need to know programming language at that early stage.

Gem
2017-08-17 07:31:59

*Thread Reply:* Ah, that makes sense!

Gem
2017-08-16 14:40:04

Especially as you specify, 'When we get technical, we'll use the programming language your developers use.'

Gem
2017-08-16 14:40:21

Also holy smokes, hello all the folks that joined the channel today!

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-16 23:44:39

I did a webex presentation for 500 people in a big company yesterday. Could be some of them? Hello you!

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2017-08-17 07:32:46

@Aslak Hellesøy ah, nice!

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zsattar1224
2017-08-17 19:33:54

hello all

Gem
2017-08-17 19:47:38

Heya @zsattar1224! Welcome!

Gem
2017-08-17 20:19:36

So I'm still grappling with trying to wrap my head around and get comfortable with everything, but I'm continuing to add little pieces of information together and understand how/what things are doing which is huge for me. The cucumber product is an incredibly dense landscape to me so to have things start making sense is a fantastic feeling!

I've had a lot of luck with doing things like outputting strings/vars in various places of the code and seeing what's output. Also, for my current work, I've added the 'pry-byebug' gem to the cucumber-expressions-ruby gemspec so that I can step through the code. This has been HUGELY important in understanding the flow of things as well as catching on to tricks/nuances I would have never have caught otherwise.

If you've(speaking broadly to everyone) never spent time with pry-byebug I absolutely recommend it. It's a combination of pry and byebug and allows for really neat interaction with code including step/next/continue/etc and cd'ing through code as you would through a file structure. Check it out!

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brasmusson
2017-08-18 03:23:33

@mlvandijk > Ideally I would have merged (fast forward?) the master into my branch beforehand

It is never to late. I would do this git checkout -B pretty-formatter-nested-args 4f30522 to get rid of the merge commit git rebase upstream/master I use "upstream" as the name of the remote for the Cucumber-JVM repo, any merge conflicts needs to be handled in this step. Now your local pull-request branch is based on the latest master content (me, I use gitk to inspect the tree of git repo). git push origin pretty-formatter-nested-args --force (assuming "origin" is the remote name of your github fork) "--force" is needed as it is not only added commits on your local branch compared to the remote pull request branch. Now the changes on the pull request branch is visible on the pull request on Github.

This is what I would do - to get a cleaner diff on the pull request - so I think you should do that.

mlvandijk
2017-08-18 03:27:40

Ok, I will give it a try. I'm still learning the finer details of Git (doing tutorials today). The merge conflict is actually because I accidentally merged something yesterday. @Aslak Hellesøy removed it, but not all I think. Anyway to get rid of that commit on master (as it's included in my squashed commit)?

brasmusson
2017-08-18 04:06:17

> Anyway to get rid of that commit on master (as it's included in my squashed commit)?

It is possible, I would do: git revert 43309ab get revert de85fc6 get rebase -i upstream/master ... (to squash the two revert commits to one, which reverts both those commits)- git push upstream master

I can fix that, but it has to wait until this evening, I can't do it from work.

mlvandijk
2017-08-18 04:07:09

Np. I'm home today and can do it. Will try locally first anyway and will learn lots of git \o/

mlvandijk
2017-08-18 04:08:49

If I don't get it to work, then I will wait for help rather than make it worse...

mlvandijk
2017-08-18 06:03:26

Ok, I have reverted de85fc6 and 43309ab, rebased and (thought I) squashed and pulled

mlvandijk
2017-08-18 06:03:38

so master should be correct again now

mlvandijk
2017-08-18 06:04:15

next to rebase correct master on my branch

mlvandijk
2017-08-18 06:10:33

also rebased master on/under my branch and pushed, PR now updated. 🙂 Learned a lot of git also. thanks for your help @brasmusson !

stephen-gates
2017-08-18 07:00:27

set the channel topic: For nurturing new contributors

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stephen-gates
2017-08-18 13:53:22

Whoops 😬 didn't mean to change channel topic 😣

Gem
2017-08-18 14:37:44

I noticed that earlier. Figured maybe you were just trying to view it

Gem
2017-08-18 19:45:54

For updating history.md I made a new branch, pushed it, and merged it myself. Is there a specific process we'd like others to use? Currently updating cucumber-ruby's contributing file to outline steps to update the file

Gem
2017-08-18 19:45:58
  ** Make sure that you've created a [Github Access](<https://help.github.com/articles/creating-a-personal-access-token-for-the-command-line/>) key and have it set in your environment to `GITHUB_TOKEN`.
  ** From the cucumber-ruby directory, run the following command: `ruby ./scripts/update-history &lt;PULL--REQUEST-NUMBER&gt;`, making sure to replace `&lt;PULL--REQUEST-NUMBER&gt;`
  ** Commit and push your changes
olleolleolle
2017-08-19 00:12:26

*Thread Reply:* v minor note: Github Access => GitHub Access token

olleolleolle
2017-08-19 00:14:33

*Thread Reply:* Perhaps the wording “have it set in your environment to GITHUB_TOKEN” may confuse a reader.

“and set the environment variable GITHUB_TOKEN to the token’s value” (Gah, is that even more confusing?)

Gem
2017-08-19 10:00:32

*Thread Reply:* Haha thanks for the pointer and other input! 😄

Gem
2017-08-19 10:15:34

*Thread Reply:* I totally just derped on the word token 😛

Gem
2017-08-18 19:46:21

The last step could use some elaboration which has brought me here asking about process.

mlvandijk
2017-08-18 23:30:34

@Gem same question here (but for cucumber-jvm). I think I just updated the history.md directly on github...

mlvandijk
2017-08-18 23:30:59

In general, some commit guidelines would be helpful

Gem
2017-08-19 10:00:00

@mlvandijk That's what I'm working on. 🙂

mlvandijk
2017-08-19 10:02:01

@Gem excellent! For cucumber in general or a specific implementation?

Gem
2017-08-19 10:02:04

I eventually would like to get all the documents closer to each other to have consistent information across the repo

mlvandijk
2017-08-19 10:02:32

That's also being worked on. See the docs.cucumber.io project

Gem
2017-08-19 10:03:16

I mean specifically in regard to the contributing.md files 😛

mlvandijk
2017-08-19 10:03:24

Awesome!

mlvandijk
2017-08-19 10:03:43

Let me know if/how I can help ;)

mlvandijk
2017-08-19 10:04:41

(Review?)

Gem
2017-08-19 10:07:30

Absolutely 🙂

mlvandijk
2017-08-19 10:11:51

👍

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brasmusson
2017-08-20 09:10:37

> For updating history.md I made a new branch, pushed it, and merged it myself.

Using a pull-request for updating history.md (after merging a pull-request) is overkill. The updated history.md, after merging a pull-request, can be pushed directly to master.

My habit when merging pull-requests is to fetch down the pull-request branch locally, merge that branch locally (using a commit comment like Merged <b>#XXX</b> '&lt;pull request title&gt;', and then update History.md and amend that change to the merge commit. After running the tests locally, I push the merge commit to master. I'm probably the only person doing it like this. I like this process myself because I know that the tests works after the merge, and it makes sense to update History.md in the merge commit.

If a pull request fixes an issue, I like the pull request to close that issue (by using the keyword for closing issues in the pull request description), I think that make GitHub display good traceability on the page of the fixed issue. In such a case I would let the History.md update read like: "<good summary of the change> (#<merged pull request>, #<fixed issue> <pull request author)" If the pull request was reasonably/properly named, then the pull request title should be "<good summary of the change>". I do not know if the history.md-update-script of Cucumber-Ruby, can include references to issues fixed by the merge pull request.

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Gem
2017-08-20 09:16:11

I like the idea of pulling the branch locally and running tests yourself to verify as it adds another layer of accountability

Gem
2017-08-20 09:16:31

I'm not sure if everyone would be on board with that, but I can definitely see the positive add from that!

mlvandijk
2017-08-20 09:19:12

Yes, that sounds like a nice clean way to do it!

mlvandijk
2017-08-20 09:22:31

adding a keyword to automatically close an issue is also nice

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matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:01:24

Essentially, I think PRs are about communication. At the first level, you can create a PR and merge it yourself immediately if you just want it to “rise above the surface” a little more than a regular commit. People watching the repo will be emailed about it, and you can group together a set of commits that are parts of one meaningful change.

Next level up, if you want feedback, a PR is of course a great way to propose a set of changes you’d like other people to consider and give you feedback on before merging.

I think if there are commits you’re entirely confident in, it makes sense to just push them straight to master. That creates less noise on the communications channels.

I believe @Aslak Hellesøy was in the process of writing that guidance up somewhere. What happened to that Aslak?

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-21 08:02:26
Gem
2017-08-21 08:02:44

I was just thinking about that. 😛

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:04:17

that’s it @Aslak Hellesøy

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:04:29

can we put that into the CONTRIBUTING.md on the monorepo?

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-21 08:05:25

*Thread Reply:* @matt-SmartBear I'd rather have it as part of the new website docs, then individual repos' CONTRIBUTING.md can link to that.

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:08:14

*Thread Reply:* We need something in those contributing files though, no? Look what’s there at the moment: https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md

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Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-21 08:09:20

*Thread Reply:* I agree some CONTRIBUTING.md files need to be updated, but I'd rather keep them all slim, linking to an easy-to-read doc on the docs site.

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:09:26

*Thread Reply:* We can link in to the monorepo’s contributing file from the individual repos’ ones.

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:10:07

*Thread Reply:* I agree, ultimately that would be great, but why don’t we iterate towards that.

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:10:28

*Thread Reply:* If we move your content out of the mailing list post into that file, it will already be easier for people (like @Gem) to find.

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-21 08:11:42

*Thread Reply:* We can, but I'd rather have something like this: http://hood.ie/contribute/ - with some illustrations.

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:12:10

*Thread Reply:* I worry that’s making the perfect the enemy of the good

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:12:35

*Thread Reply:* I love that as a vision to aim for though

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-21 08:12:50

*Thread Reply:* You're right - we'll add it to the monorepo then

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-21 08:12:56

*Thread Reply:* I'll take care of that

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:13:10

*Thread Reply:* 👍 thanks @Aslak Hellesøy!

Gem
2017-08-21 08:04:32

Do we have different folks in charge of releases for different repos? I'm curious about our thought of keeping the 'release karma' section of the ruby repo in there OR copying that type of section to each of the other language's repos to have continuity.

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:04:52

*Thread Reply:* yes

Gem
2017-08-21 08:05:53

*Thread Reply:* ...you can't answer that way! lol

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:06:20

*Thread Reply:* yes we have different people doing releases

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:06:25

*Thread Reply:* different ways of doing releases even

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:06:36

*Thread Reply:* for js, they just tag the commit and the build server does it for them!

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:06:44

*Thread Reply:* (I’d love to set that up for Ruby too btw)

Gem
2017-08-21 08:08:12

*Thread Reply:* Gotcha!

Gem
2017-08-21 08:08:22

*Thread Reply:* The automation should be doable, just requires time. hah.

Gem
2017-08-21 08:09:38

*Thread Reply:* Taking a quick look at the cucumber-js contributing versus cucumber-ruby, they are both a good bit different

Gem
2017-08-21 08:10:05

*Thread Reply:* See the screenshot I just uploaded

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-21 08:27:39

*Thread Reply:* I'd love to settle on the same format for changelogs across the org. I suggest http://keepachangelog.com/

Gem
2017-08-21 08:29:49

*Thread Reply:* I'm on board with that

Gem
2017-08-21 08:31:12

*Thread Reply:* Monorepo is cucumber/cucumber yeah?

Gem
2017-08-21 08:32:18

*Thread Reply:* Was thinking of making an issue there for tracking

Gem
2017-08-21 08:10:20

The above in in regard to the thread on my above message

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-21 08:24:34

@matt can we merge this room and #welcome? Confusing to have 2 rooms for newcomers.

Gem
2017-08-21 08:32:48

@Aslak Hellesøy your tag didn't go through it looks like so: @matt-SmartBear

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-21 08:33:10

My tag?

Gem
2017-08-21 08:33:37

You tried tagging matt

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-21 08:33:51

Oh right thanks

👍 Gem
Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-21 08:34:15

Hey @matt-SmartBear can we merge this room with #welcome?

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:35:28

@Aslak Hellesøy why would you want to do that?

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:35:35

#welcome is for introducing yourself

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:35:41

#the_greenhouse is for talking about code

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-21 08:36:29

That distinction doesn't seem clear to me. And there are conversations in here that have nothing to do with new contributors

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:36:44

Well that’s maybe the thing to manage

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-21 08:36:51

Description: For nurturing new contributors

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:37:02

I’m working on the assumption that the overall Slack community will be broader than OSS contributors

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:37:17

(e.g. BAs / Product Owners who want to learn about BDD)

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:37:38

Or Cucumber users who don’t have time / interest in becoming OSS contributors.

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:37:45

set the channel topic: For nurturing new OSS contributors

Gem
2017-08-21 08:37:57

I guess some of the conversations/questions I've been asking should have been in other channels, but I'm a new contributor that definitely needs nurturing and needs to get up to speed about thought processes/direction.

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-21 08:38:03

We've got general, random, help and the_greenhouse - they all seem like a place to discuss anything

Gem
2017-08-21 08:38:35

I guess #help would be specific for people needing assistance in implementing/solving their own issues, yeah?

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:38:47

I think we should make a #meta to discuss this!

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-21 08:38:51

Haha

Gem
2017-08-21 08:38:53

hahaha

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:39:34

srsly

matt-SmartBear
2017-08-21 08:39:38

see you in #meta

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-21 08:39:39

I'd prefer channels named after broad discussion topics rather than what role/experience people have

Gem
2017-08-21 08:39:43

oh god you actually did it

Gem
2017-08-21 09:43:40

@Aslak Hellesøy @matt-SmartBear Just finished writing this up: https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber/issues/251

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Aslak Hellesøy
2017-08-21 11:51:25

Thanks @Gem!

Gem
2017-08-21 12:17:56

@Aslak Hellesøy Sure thing! I'm looking forward to getting it complete. I could use feedback on the items in the 'questions/tuning' section.

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Welcome all the new people!

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18! Nice!

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matt-SmartBear
2017-09-15 08:57:50

I just added a newcomers ticket for cucumber-ruby folks: https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber-ruby/issues/1198

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matt-SmartBear
2017-09-15 08:58:31

It doesn’t involve any work on the code inside cucumber, just updates to the acceptance tests. Could be a nice way to get started.

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2017-09-23 11:48:14

@matt-SmartBear I see cucumber expressions for the first time. But I have emulated something like this already with the regular expressions. I have features/step_definitions/_constants.rb.

Aleksandar Kostadinov
2017-09-23 11:48:40

@Aleksandar Kostadinov uploaded a file: Untitled

Aleksandar Kostadinov
2017-09-23 11:50:27

Then in step definitions I have expression like Given /^I wait for the pod to terminate with reason #{SYM}$/ do.

Aleksandar Kostadinov
2017-09-23 11:50:58

would be nice if users can define their own types

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-09-23 14:13:27

@Aleksandar Kostadinov this post explains how to make your own types: https://cucumber.io/blog/2017/09/21/upgrading-to-cucumber-3

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Aslak Hellesøy
2017-09-23 14:13:48

Also see https://cucumber.io/blog/2017/07/26/announcing-cucumber-expressions

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Andy Biewer
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Hello. Re: https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber-jvm/pull/1025, coincidentally, we are now planning on working on this again. We had other priorities on our end in the past, but now we are focusing on testing strategy again and need to get this resolved. So we will be working on this soon. Please be patient with us.

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Gem
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Nice @Andy Biewer! Good luck!

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Yasir
2017-11-06 09:47:14

Hi... need help on failing a cucumber test when a logical test condition fails... Below is my code

try { variantObj = World.TC().RunRoutine("Unit1.checkLeadIsCreated");

        result = variantObj.toBoolean();

        if(result){
            System.out.println("Passed");
        }else{
            System.out.println("Failed");
        }
    }    
    catch (Throwable e) {
        // TODO Auto-generated catch block
        e.printStackTrace();
    }

so my code... traces down into System.out.println("Failed"); but my cucumber report still shows it is passed also ... the scenario is reported as passed in the junit report... Please help

👎 dimitris karavias
enkessler
2017-11-06 09:50:45

That looks like Java (I'm only familiar with the Ruby version of Cucumber) but, in general, your code has to throw an exception in order to fail a test. You can throw it yourself or you can use assertion libraries to throw fancy ones but the code needs to in some way 'explode' and then Cucumber picks up on that. Your test appears to just write some text to Standard Out, which is not something that Cucumber will be paying attention to.

Yasir
2017-11-06 09:54:22

@enkessler: Completely understand that.... but throw new Exception did not work either which was quite strange

Yasir
2017-11-06 09:54:51

Assert.fail() as well did nothing 😞

Gem
2017-11-06 09:55:27

@Yasir Try the <#C5YHPPJMP|help-cucumber-jvm> room 😄

Gem
2017-11-06 09:55:33

(And remember, be patient!)

👍:skin_tone_3: mlvandijk
Yasir
2017-11-06 09:55:58

@Gem Thanks , will always remember

👍 Gem
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luke
2017-11-07 05:19:36

For reference, assert fail usually doesn't work (At least it doesn't in Ruby), as it is throwing a block, so you need to evaluate that the block has raised an error.

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Aslak Hellesøy
2017-11-29 00:57:45

Please don't cross-post to several channels @Mohit3189

Mohit3189
2017-11-29 01:00:44

@Aslak Hellesøy Sure! I was not sure about which channel was relevant.

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-11-29 01:02:26

Look at the channel description at the top

Mohit3189
2017-11-29 01:03:09

@Aslak Hellesøy Assuming #help channel for now to post my queries, thanks!

Aslak Hellesøy
2017-11-29 01:03:42

That's fine. There are also language-specific help channels.

Mohit3189
2017-11-29 01:03:59

Okay

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matt-SmartBear
2018-04-09 10:10:17

We’re holding an informal OSS community hack-day on the Saturday after CukenFest in London on 21st April.

All current and aspiring Cucumber OSS contributors are welcome. @Aslak Hellesøy and I will be there in person as will @mpkorstanjeand @mlvandijk. @charlierudolph @brasmusson and @Gem will be attending virtually.

Please let me know if you’d be interested in attending either in person or virtually. We’ve got space for about 30 people on the day which I’d imagine would be more than enough, but it will be useful to have some idea of numbers, both in-person and virtually.

Thinking of you particularly @aida and @madame.sheema who set up this channel at the same event last year.

aida
2018-04-12 03:29:38

*Thread Reply:* So happy to see you are doing this again!! Unfortunately I won’t be able to join this weekend

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luke
2018-04-10 01:32:28

@matt-SmartBear This sounds perfect for me - As I'm contributing to Open Source a bit now. Is there a website or some post I can link to. I will try to see if I can get some support from my company.

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2018-04-10 02:54:13

@tooky Will you be at this hackday? I'm just asking my work about this and they're asking if there's any documentation or anything on it?

luke
2018-04-10 02:55:17

They also asked if you'd be there 🙂 in person... So you probably have some fans here.

tooky
2018-04-10 03:03:58

@luke I’m hoping to be there, yes! You’re at OTB, right?

tooky
2018-04-10 03:04:22

Say hi around you, then 🙂

luke
2018-04-10 03:04:48

Haha, it was Claire who asked. I assume you know most of the people who've been here a while as you used to do the Academy I believe (I did it this year with a guy called Paul)

tooky
2018-04-10 03:05:08

I don’t think we have anything specific about the hackday cc @theo

tooky
2018-04-10 03:05:47

I’ve met quite a few of the people there, and I’ve run about 4 or 5 academy’s 🙂

tooky
2018-04-10 03:06:25

Please say hi to Claire 🙂

luke
2018-04-10 05:46:01

For Logistics for this who is best to speak to? Just doing some totting up now and working out timings (Probably going to come down)

Aslak Hellesøy
2018-04-10 05:55:03

I'll try to get something published on our blog later today

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Aslak Hellesøy
2018-08-21 23:43:04

Want to contribute to Cucumber? Here is a little issue to get you started: https://cucumberbdd.slack.com/archives/C5WD8SA21/p1534891342000100

aslak (https://cucumberbdd.slack.com/team/U59QQHPCY)
:cucumberbdd: Gem, Robert.S
👋 mikegfisher
👍 chidiemeh184, Jon Acker
mikegfisher
2018-08-22 12:26:51

*Thread Reply:* Had any help with this yet? I'm into helping with the javascript and ruby (I've never touched go).

mikegfisher
2018-08-22 12:31:39

*Thread Reply:* Actually, the go lang should be easy too. Looks like just moving the logic you've already worked out in Java over to > .../javascript/.../tree_regexp.js > .../ruby/.../tree_regexp.rb > .../go/tree_regexp.go This really is a great one to get started on.

mikegfisher
2018-08-22 12:32:22

*Thread Reply:* (plus updating tests)

Aslak Hellesøy
2018-08-22 13:05:59

*Thread Reply:* Sounds good! It’s almost like painting by numbers. You can hack on a language without knowing it, because you’ve seen the implementation in a different language.

Aslak Hellesøy
2018-08-22 13:07:33

*Thread Reply:* @mikegfisher the reporter said he’d work on it tonight: https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber/issues/454#issuecomment-414854132 - maybe sync up with him?

spicalous (https://github.com/spicalous)
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jasonmichael
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I have a small set of cucumber questions, is anyone around?

Dana Scheider (they/he)
2019-01-13 16:11:17

@jasonmichael I'm here now, might or might not be able to answer depending

jasonmichael
2019-01-13 18:59:45

<two hours later> Dana is you're still there - All the examples I find of 'getting started with cucumber' give Features with scenarios which involve 'software in motion', like "When I click the submit button, Then <something happens>", but what if you just want to use Cucumber to test that things exist? I want to use cucumber to test an AWS account, to ensure that certain resources exist, have these names, these configuration parameters, etc.

slackbot
2019-01-13 18:59:45

Did you know Cucumber is a specification tool, not a testing tool?

jasonmichael
2019-01-13 19:00:36

Would I use "When I examine the AWS Account, Then I should see <some resource> which has <some detail>"?

Dana Scheider (they/he)
2019-01-13 20:54:16

I haven't used it like this before but I would imagine it would look something like that

Dana Scheider (they/he)
2019-01-13 20:54:57

Although my suggestion would be Then I should see &lt;some resource&gt; And it should have &lt;some detail&gt; - that way you have more reusable and less tightly coupled steps

mlvandijk
2019-01-14 10:32:00

Yes, try to describe the what, not the how.

:cucumberbdd: Gem, rubbishbinqa, Ryan Chapman
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Raja
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Hi Team.... This is Raja... I am planning to integrate our cucumber automation framework with Octane (test management tool--They provided support for cucumber BDD)... I have runner class for Octane (https://github.com/HPSoftware/octane-cucumber-jvm/blob/master/src/main/java/com/hpe/alm/octane/OctaneCucumber.java) ... But, we are referring Main class in our project (cucumber.api.cli.Main)... How can I provide referrce to run from OctaneCucumber? or Anyone have done this integration?

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@Raja this channel is intended for new OSS contributors. If you need help using Cucumber-JVM I suggest the <#C5YHPPJMP|help-cucumber-jvm> channel.

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@matt-SmartBear Sure Thank you

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We used Extenntreport but upgraded to 4.7.1 and it’s not supported any lomger for now. Can somebody suggest a replacement which is simple and will require minimum code?

:male_police_officer: delso
Benjamin Bischoff
2019-09-27 00:14:42

*Thread Reply:* https://github.com/trivago/cluecumber-report-plugin

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jradom
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We use Gherkin scenarios for our unit tests. Can somebody suggest a good test coverage tool to verify it on Jenkins

Aslak Hellesøy
2019-11-24 10:18:29

*Thread Reply:* What programming language @jradom?

jradom
2019-11-24 16:37:22

*Thread Reply:* Java

Aslak Hellesøy
2019-11-25 02:47:26

*Thread Reply:* We use JaCoCo, but you can use any coverage tool you like @jradom

Aslak Hellesøy
2019-11-25 02:48:20

*Thread Reply:* Code coverage is independent of test framework and build servers.

Devyansh Mittal
2019-11-29 04:52:41

*Thread Reply:* try openclover

jradom
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Any help will be greatly appreciated

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avishka perera
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What are the best open-source tools , that can be used for reporting when using Gherkin.

avishka perera
2020-01-23 00:01:06

I tried clue cumber reporting but i was not able to integrate it to the application.

avishka perera
2020-01-23 00:01:20

any example to set up that

sudz
2020-01-23 00:03:56

*Thread Reply:* Please see if you can use https://github.com/damianszczepanik/cucumber-reporting

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Benjamin Bischoff
2020-01-23 00:13:22

*Thread Reply:* Shameless plug 🙂

https://github.com/trivago/cluecumber-report-plugin

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mlvandijk
2020-01-23 22:21:02

*Thread Reply:* I can provide an example of using Cluecumber if not provided by Benjamin already

❤️ Benjamin Bischoff
Benjamin Bischoff
2020-01-24 00:18:07
Benjamin Bischoff
2020-01-24 00:18:27

*Thread Reply:* Also, you can check out an example report: http://tech.trivago.com/cluecumber-report-plugin/

tech.trivago.com
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Francislainy
2020-03-13 08:03:48

*Thread Reply:* I've written this SO post on how to use Cluecumber in case it may be helpful? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60658416/how-to-use-cluecumber-to-generate-reports?noredirect=1#comment107318396_60658416

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Benjamin Bischoff
2020-03-13 08:50:02

*Thread Reply:* Nice! However, I would consider this a short manual how to run Cluecumber standalone if you are not running your tests via Maven. Maybe the question can be edited a bit 🙂

Francislainy
2020-03-18 05:56:24

*Thread Reply:* Hi, sorry not sure if I understand the suggestion as my tests are under a maven project?

Benjamin Bischoff
2020-03-18 07:33:40

*Thread Reply:* You wrote "Run your tests and once this is done navigate to the terminal and type mvn cluecumber-report:reporting (exactly as it is)." But this wouldn't be necessary in all cases if you run the tests via Maven and have the reporting included in the lifecycle.

mlvandijk
2020-03-18 07:40:25

*Thread Reply:* @Benjamin Bischoff we have configured maven / the plugin to generate the report after the integration test, but if no tests have run this fails the build. Is there any way to make it so that doesnt happen?

Benjamin Bischoff
2020-03-18 08:11:58

*Thread Reply:* Hi @mlvandijk, only in case of no tests it fails? What about failing tests?

mlvandijk
2020-03-18 08:13:13

*Thread Reply:* Then it fails. The report fails if it cannot find the cucumber.json (which happens when no tests have run)

Benjamin Bischoff
2020-03-18 08:13:24

*Thread Reply:* I think you are right, in case of no json inputs, there is a failure. This should be changed.

Benjamin Bischoff
2020-03-18 08:13:31

*Thread Reply:* ha, same time 😄

Benjamin Bischoff
2020-03-18 08:14:32

*Thread Reply:* For us it didn't make a difference as we consider a run without tests a failure as well. But it shouldn't fail because the reporting fails, that's true

Benjamin Bischoff
2020-03-18 08:17:52

*Thread Reply:* I added this to the Cluecumber 2.4.0 roadmap: https://github.com/trivago/cluecumber-report-plugin/issues/240

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mlvandijk
2020-03-19 00:09:04

*Thread Reply:* Thank you!!

mlvandijk
2020-03-19 00:09:44

*Thread Reply:* Currently we are just commenting out the plugin when no tests have been added/are running, but I figured there should be an easier way.

mlvandijk
2020-03-19 00:10:14

*Thread Reply:* I think the cucumber.json if no tests found is '[]' but I'm not sure

Benjamin Bischoff
2020-03-19 00:32:03

*Thread Reply:* i am pretty sure that no files are generated at all

Benjamin Bischoff
2020-03-19 00:32:48

*Thread Reply:* By the way, there is also the option to skip the report generation completely:

https://github.com/trivago/cluecumber-report-plugin#skip-report-generation

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Benjamin Bischoff
2020-03-19 00:33:15

*Thread Reply:* So you can pass the skip property to the plugin to prevent it from running

mlvandijk
2020-03-19 03:01:11

*Thread Reply:* Cool. I figured there would ve a way but hadnt looked for it yet tbh

Benjamin Bischoff
2020-03-19 03:02:15

*Thread Reply:* I like writing documentation but I also struggle when having to read it 😄

Benjamin Bischoff
2020-03-19 03:03:06

*Thread Reply:* I will try to prepare the next Cluecumber release soon. Just need some more motivation to return.

mlvandijk
2020-03-19 06:19:36

*Thread Reply:* No rush. These are strange times.

😐 Benjamin Bischoff
mlvandijk
2020-03-19 06:19:50

*Thread Reply:* Appreciate all your help!

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enkessler
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If anyone is interested in jumping into OSS, I've been getting a little burnt out flying solo on my projects and would welcome new contributors/maintainers. They're mostly Cucumber related tools and written in Ruby.

🎉 Gem, Dana Scheider (they/he), Fabricio Bedin
Taimur Rasheed
2020-03-05 02:51:28

*Thread Reply:* Please share the details. I am interested. Thanks.

enkessler
2020-03-29 02:32:48

*Thread Reply:* @Taimur Rasheed Sorry about that, I seem to have been distracted for almost a month. Here you go: https://github.com/enkessler/cuke_modeler#projects

Essentially any of those projects is up for grabs but only cuke_linter and cuke_modeler actively need work, as far as I remember. None of it would be difficult work and the task range from easy to ambitious.

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Sappo
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Hi Folks, I'm currently trying to write a plain C cucumber version. I'm using the gherkin-c library from the cucumber monorepo to read the feature file and produce pickles. Using the pickles I'm able to invoke my step definitions so the technical part is covered. What I'm struggling with is the report generation. Because the pickles are very simply I would need to produces and parse the ASTs as well to get a proper report. How are other implementation e.g. ruby or java handling ASTs and pickles?

Anton Deryabin
2020-03-25 07:53:20

*Thread Reply:* You'd better ask in #committers

Sappo
2020-03-25 07:54:16

*Thread Reply:* Sure, thanks

slackbot
2020-03-25 07:49:45

Hi! "Guys" is easily replaced with the more gender-neutral "Folks", "All" or "Foolish mortals". We'd appreciate if you tried to use that. Thanks!

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Brian Long
2020-04-06 08:36:29

hello all,

Brian Long
2020-04-06 08:38:20

Per a recent webcast on electron/cucumber, I'm attempting to find a current version of java/cucumber implementation of the Journey/Screenplay pattern... and I'm not having much luck. Is that still a thing? or are we just going to stick with PageObject? or is there something else new that I haven't found yet?

Appreciate any URLs. Thanks!

Ervins Patmalnieks
2020-04-06 08:59:32

*Thread Reply:* Hi, Brian, Perhaps this link coud help you: https://serenity-bdd.github.io/theserenitybook/latest/cucumber.html

As serenity have implemented scrrenplay pattern

👍 Brian Long
Brian Long
2020-04-06 09:13:41

*Thread Reply:* yes I've seen serenity / screenplay in several places... although this link to the archetype seems to actually work... thanks!

Brian Long
2020-04-06 09:14:44

*Thread Reply:* you have to change the jcenter repo links to https

Ervins Patmalnieks
2020-04-06 10:27:43

*Thread Reply:* I personally use Selenide in my projects. Have tried serenity as well, but prefs to Selenide 🙂

👍 Brian Long
tooky
2020-04-07 01:40:55

*Thread Reply:* @Brian Long there’s a series of blog posts starting here https://cucumber.io/blog/bdd/understandin-screenplay-(part-1)-fundamentals/ by @matt-SmartBear

cucumber.io
matt-SmartBear
2020-04-07 05:18:52

*Thread Reply:* AMA about screenplay Brian!

matt-SmartBear
2020-04-07 05:19:17

*Thread Reply:* Serenity is a great place to start if you’re in Java, but just remember that screenplay is a pattern, and you can implement it yourself pretty easily.

👍 Brian Long
Brian Long
2020-04-07 05:35:45

*Thread Reply:* ama? unfamiliar. hope it's not terrible. anyway yes we've been working with PageObject and recently I heard a blogcast using words like "training wheels" ... and recommending journey/screenplay. I'm fine with staying with PO, and I'm equally fine with moving to SP if that's where we're going. Just testing the wind.

matt-SmartBear
2020-04-07 05:36:01

*Thread Reply:* “Ask Me Anything” - sorry!

😁 Brian Long
matt-SmartBear
2020-04-07 05:36:26

*Thread Reply:* Those blog posts Steve linked to should give you some idea of how they compare.

Brian Long
2020-04-07 05:36:38

*Thread Reply:* uyup ok thanks!

Brian Long
2020-04-06 09:40:40

are most folks using PageObject or Screenplay... or something else?

Benjamin Bischoff
2020-04-07 02:03:20

*Thread Reply:* I would guess most people use PageObject. Screenplay is not a replacement for PageObject though.

Benjamin Bischoff
2020-04-07 02:04:05

*Thread Reply:* Our test framework uses a ComponentObject pattern which wraps individual component functionalities instead of the whole pages.

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Hello all, I'm massively using the cucumber-scala project and saw its status is "unmaintained". Could you explain what would be expected of a maintainer? Update cucumber-scala to Cucumber 5? If so, a PR would be enough? I would love to contribute to cucumber-scala but not sure what would be the best way, if you have ideas or anything please tell me 🙂

mpkorstanje
2020-04-13 08:04:11

*Thread Reply:* Heya, we mostly hang out in #committers and <#C6RLMP3C4|committers-jvm>. You may want to join there.

I don't have the time, expertise or the the interest really to keep the Scala implementation up to date.

So I rather hand this over entirely.

If you want to be maintainer, the tasks mostly come down to:

• Code! Scratch your own itch • Keep dependencies uptodate • Respond to GitHub issues/PRs in a timely manner • Keep the CHANGELOG uptodate • Make releases (Create git tags, update CHANGELOG) • Keep the documentation uptodate • Make the code habitable for new users and contributors • Keep the CI running And of course all that within your own capabilities, interest and availability.

I've created an issue to make it official.

https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber-jvm-scala/issues/21

mpkorstanje (https://github.com/mpkorstanje)
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Gaël Jourdan-Weil
2020-04-13 09:46:43

*Thread Reply:* Ok, thanks for the answer. I'll share it with my company, as we are dependent on it we might want to invest some time to contribute 🙂 In the meantime I'll have a look to the source to understand a bit better how "backends" work.

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mpkorstanje
2020-04-22 05:56:31

*Thread Reply:* You might want to askin <#CTNL1JCVA|help-godog>

Janna Loeffler
2020-04-22 05:57:21

*Thread Reply:* Yeah.. posted in wrong place 😊

mpkorstanje
2020-04-22 05:58:59

*Thread Reply:* No worries!

Gem
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*Thread Reply:* @Janna Loeffler Do you need help with anything inre godog?

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ichfaisal
2020-05-11 19:47:26

A simple question 🙂 : When do you use word validate while naming your functions/methods and when do you use word verify while writing particular functions ? thanks in advance ?

mpkorstanje
2020-05-12 00:08:57

*Thread Reply:* Can you give an example? I don't think I understand you.

Benjamin Bischoff
2020-05-12 00:23:53

*Thread Reply:* I never use either one of them 🙂 You are free to use whatever makes sense for you 😎

delso
2020-05-12 09:13:36

*Thread Reply:* Is this a trick question like check vs test? 🤔

ichfaisal
2020-05-12 12:26:44

*Thread Reply:* @mpkorstanje it is a simple question. I am asking about verification and validation difference ? actually naming a method in your page class sometimes become very tricky 🙂

ichfaisal
2020-05-12 12:29:32

*Thread Reply:* @delso yes you can say that but it is only just to get an idea that how different name people are using for their methods

ichfaisal
2020-05-12 12:29:37

*Thread Reply:* thanks all

delso
2020-05-12 12:33:50

*Thread Reply:* @ichfaisal what is the method doing? You could start it with assert to avoid the validate/verify ambiguity.

mpkorstanje
2020-05-12 12:38:47

*Thread Reply:* They're different words with different meanings. You use them hopefully in their usual meaning. That you ask this question implies that you may see reason to do so otherwise. That at the very least requires some explanation.

Luke Meyers (he/him)
2020-05-12 19:51:36

*Thread Reply:* I would "verify" an invariant, but "validate" user input. The distinction has to do with one's level of confidence about the possibility of the check failing, how "hard" of an error may be issued if it fails, etc. It's somewhat squishy, but there are certainly cases (such as these examples) where one seems fine to me and the other wouldn't.

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Anna B
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Hi, joining as I'm looking for opportunities to contribute to an open source project! I'm a little confused right now, as there seem to be several versions of various things like forums and chat places, as well as obviously, a lot of places for people to ask general questions about cucumber usage - so, firstly - am I in the right place if I basically want to pick up (ideally simple at first) issues and write code?

mpkorstanje
2020-05-15 12:23:37

*Thread Reply:* Heya,

you are in the right place. You can find the people who commit things in #committers

mpkorstanje
2020-05-15 12:24:42

*Thread Reply:* Are you looking for anything particular to contribute too? A specific language, a tool that you're using, documentation?

enkessler
2020-05-15 12:26:36

*Thread Reply:* Depending on your preferred language, I have several Cucumber related open source projects that could use an additional set of hands. They're not under the official umbrella of Cucumber but it may or may not be easier than jumping into the mono-repos.

Anna B
2020-05-15 12:28:18

*Thread Reply:* Thanks! I know Ruby and am learning Javascript at the moment. Are either of those useful for your projects Eric?

enkessler
2020-05-15 12:29:15

*Thread Reply:* Mine are all Ruby based, yeah.

Anna B
2020-05-15 12:30:09

*Thread Reply:* that sounds good! What are the projects?

Anna B
2020-05-15 12:33:43

*Thread Reply:* Would this be a good place to start? https://github.com/enkessler/cuke_linter/issues/8

enkessler
2020-05-15 12:33:48

*Thread Reply:* https://rubygems.org/gems/cuke_modeler and https://rubygems.org/gems/cuke_linter are the two most active ones, although any of the Cucumber related ones here could use at least a touch up to make them look vaguely standardized (because every new project started off copy/paste/tweak style but then aged).

enkessler
2020-05-15 12:35:24

*Thread Reply:* That issue would work just fine. It should be simple plug-and-play code and it will get you looking at older solutions to a recurring problem.

enkessler
2020-05-15 12:37:30

*Thread Reply:* "required tag starts with" and "unique scenario names" may be the easiest of the ones left.

enkessler
2020-05-15 12:38:49

*Thread Reply:* Feel free to DM me on Slack or in the GitHub issues themselves if you want to give it a go and have questions.

Anna B
2020-05-15 12:39:57

*Thread Reply:* Thank you! I'll take a look at the two you suggested and see how I get on. 🙂

mpkorstanje
2020-05-15 12:40:31

*Thread Reply:* 👍 Goodluck!

mlvandijk
2020-05-18 05:43:05

*Thread Reply:* Hi @Anna B 👋

👋 Anna B
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RaviAnuma
2020-07-28 00:40:46

Hi All,   Previously am using cucumber 1.2.5 version and used cucumber-jvm-parallel-plugin for execution of Scenarios in grid parallel. Recently i updated my cucumber version to 4.2.0 , in which the cucumber-jvm-parallel-plugin is inbuild (i read some where). Can some one please help me that how i can run scenarios parallel in grid using cucumber version 4.2.0

brasmusson
2020-07-28 01:50:33

*Thread Reply:* <#C5YHPPJMP|help-cucumber-jvm> is a more appropriate channel for that question.

mpkorstanje
2020-07-28 01:51:36

I'm going to archive this channel. It has no activity and distracts people from the other channels.

mpkorstanje
2020-07-28 01:51:42

archived the channel

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